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andrew.kelly
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:08 pm  Reply with quote

Using Mechanical, DX, and RSM.

I was thinking of putting together a table to show the effects of various combinations of Update Options. TFM explains what each does in isolation, but doesn't seem to show the big picture.

Project Update Option: Run in Foreground vs. Submit to Remote Solve Manager

Solution Update Option: Use application default, vs. Submit to Remote Solve Manager

Mechanical Solve Process Setting: My Computer vs. My Computer Background vs. remote.

Some aren't allowed and some could cause some odd, or even "clever" behavior.

(e.g. can you submit a project to a remote computer and have it solve all DP jobs in the background? - what is the effect?).

(e.g. what happens if it needs new geometry but the source files aren't available on the applicable computer at the time they are requested? How do you overcome this?)

Does anyone have anything like this that they are willing to share?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:42 pm  Reply with quote

For the most part, I don't think it lets you have a remote option in more than one place. The Solve Process Setting might be an exception, but I'm not sure. The most clever thing I can think of is taking advantage of different core counts on different compute servers by using a remote setting for Project and having the default "My Computer" configured differently for each compute server.

Try searching the manual for "Pre-RSM Foreground Update." You can do the Geometry updates locally before submitting them for remote solve.

Andrew Kokemoor
HydraForce Inc

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Subject: [Xansys] [WB] Update Option Quick Reference Guide

Using Mechanical, DX, and RSM.

I was thinking of putting together a table to show the effects of various combinations of Update Options. TFM explains what each does in isolation, but doesn't seem to show the big picture.

Project Update Option: Run in Foreground vs. Submit to Remote Solve Manager

Solution Update Option: Use application default, vs. Submit to Remote Solve Manager

Mechanical Solve Process Setting: My Computer vs. My Computer Background vs. remote.

Some aren't allowed and some could cause some odd, or even "clever" behavior.

(e.g. can you submit a project to a remote computer and have it solve all DP jobs in the background? - what is the effect?).

(e.g. what happens if it needs new geometry but the source files aren't available on the applicable computer at the time they are requested? How do you overcome this?)

Does anyone have anything like this that they are willing to share?

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Andrew C. Kelly, P.E.
Honeywell Sensing & Control
andrew.kelly@honeywell.com






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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:44 pm  Reply with quote

Here's an example of "clever", though I'm not quite sure the exact settings I used.

I had a large DOE to do (49 design points). Geometry updates through DM and Creo are slower than molasses (10+ minute round trip for each point - heavy on disk activity and light on CPU activity).

Somehow I had finagled WB into solving Mechanical models remotely while it was still setting up the new DP. By the time it had finished setting up DP #49, about 12 DP had finished on the remote computer and DOE results had been retrieved and updated.

By generating new DP locally in parallel with remote solving them, the DOE finished at least an hour faster.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:03 am  Reply with quote

I think you could run it like that with either a) Project Update set to remote with Pre-RSM Foreground Update or b) Project Update set to foreground and Solve Process Settings set to remote.

Andrew Kokemoor
HydraForce Inc

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Here's an example of "clever", though I'm not quite sure the exact settings I used.

I had a large DOE to do (49 design points). Geometry updates through DM and Creo are slower than molasses (10+ minute round trip for each point - heavy on disk activity and light on CPU activity).

Somehow I had finagled WB into solving Mechanical models remotely while it was still setting up the new DP. By the time it had finished setting up DP #49, about 12 DP had finished on the remote computer and DOE results had been retrieved and updated.

By generating new DP locally in parallel with remote solving them, the DOE finished at least an hour faster.

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Honeywell Sensing & Control
andrew.kelly@honeywell.com






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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:31 am  Reply with quote

Right, that is how it is designed to work (RSM set either at the project
level or the solve process settings), but other combinations are/were
possible. I recall that there were some strange things that happened with
certain combinations and development actually put in code to prevent them
from being possible.

However, if you do try out some of these combinations and you do get them
to work (or work badly), I am interested to hear about it.

Best regards,



Simon Pereira
Product Manager
Platform Development Business Unit; ANSYS Inc.
Tel: 1.734.213.1217
www.ansys.com

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Kokemoor <AndrewK@hydraforce.com>
wrote:

Quote:
I think you could run it like that with either a) Project Update set to
remote with Pre-RSM Foreground Update or b) Project Update set to
foreground and Solve Process Settings set to remote.

Andrew Kokemoor
HydraForce Inc

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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 8:45 PM
To: xansys@xansys.org
Subject: Re: [Xansys] [WB] Update Option Quick Reference Guide

Here's an example of "clever", though I'm not quite sure the exact
settings I used.

I had a large DOE to do (49 design points). Geometry updates through DM
and Creo are slower than molasses (10+ minute round trip for each point -
heavy on disk activity and light on CPU activity).

Somehow I had finagled WB into solving Mechanical models remotely while it
was still setting up the new DP. By the time it had finished setting up DP
#49, about 12 DP had finished on the remote computer and DOE results had
been retrieved and updated.

By generating new DP locally in parallel with remote solving them, the DOE
finished at least an hour faster.

------------------------
Andrew C. Kelly, P.E.
Honeywell Sensing &amp; Control
andrew.kelly@honeywell.com






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