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Xavier Martínez
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:53 am  Reply with quote

Hi,

I’m writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to know the
element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the gauss point I’m
computing with the usermat).

Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
function, to be included in my usermat code)

Thanks in advance,

Xavier Martinez
WVU, USA

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Fern Thomassy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:38 pm  Reply with quote

> Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
> function, to be included in my usermat code)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA

1. A more complete signature line would be nice.

2. I can't help you specifically but it is late in most places that tend to
answer ... so ... have you searched the XANSYS archive? It seems that this
exact question was a topic a year or more ago.

Good luck . . . Fern

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Keith DiRienz
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:41 pm  Reply with quote

Xavier,
You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.

*get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu

Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.

Keith

Keith DiRienz, P.E.

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"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to know the
>element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the gauss point I'm
>computing with the usermat).
>
>Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
>function, to be included in my usermat code)
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Xavier Martinez
>WVU, USA
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Xavier Martínez
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:06 am  Reply with quote

Hi,

The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a subroutine
or a function, to be called from my usermat implementation, which provides my
with the volume associated to the gauss point (or integration point) I am
computing with my usermat subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss
point cannot be obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.

There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same subject,
they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()". I've tried to deal
with it but I do not obtain any result.

A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain the
position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to compute the
volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do the calculation twice.

Thanks again,

Xavier Martinez
WVU, USA




-----Mensaje original-----
De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En nombre de
Keith DiRienz
Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41
Para: ANSYS User Discussion List
Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Xavier,
You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.

*get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu

Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.

Keith

Keith DiRienz, P.E.

FEA Technologies
33822 Bridgehampton Drive
Dana Point, CA 92629
Ph. 949.481.4946
Email: --email address suppressed--
Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies

"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to know the
>element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the gauss point I'm
>computing with the usermat).
>
>Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
>function, to be included in my usermat code)
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Xavier Martinez
>WVU, USA
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Carlos Shultz
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:03 am  Reply with quote

Xavier,

I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was correct):

INTEGER j,ielem
Doubleprecision value(4), volume
integer,external::elmgct

j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
volume = value(4)

Carlos



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-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
To: --email address suppressed--
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Hi,

The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat implementation, which provides my with the volume associated to the gauss point (or integration point) I am computing with my usermat subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss point cannot be obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.

There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()". I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.

A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain the position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do the calculation twice.

Thanks again,

Xavier Martinez
WVU, USA




-----Mensaje original-----
De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41
Para: ANSYS User Discussion List
Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Xavier,
You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.

*get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu

Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.

Keith

Keith DiRienz, P.E.

FEA Technologies
33822 Bridgehampton Drive
Dana Point, CA 92629
Ph. 949.481.4946
Email: --email address suppressed--
Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies

"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
>know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the
>gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
>
>Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
>function, to be included in my usermat code)
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Xavier Martinez
>WVU, USA
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Jürgen Humt
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:10 am  Reply with quote

Xavier,


according to the "Guide to interfacing with ansys" the
element volume is availabel on a result file (rst). As
far as I understand things one of the routines in the
user programmable features should provide access
to this item. So you would have to create an rst
with a linear run of your model and then read the
results during your calculation. Unfortunately I'm
not familiar with UPF's since we are using our
own interface to ANSYS binaries.

Hope that helps.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Xavier Martínez" <--email address suppressed-->
To: <--email address suppressed-->
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat


> Hi,
>
> The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> subroutine
> or a function, to be called from my usermat implementation, which provides
> my
> with the volume associated to the gauss point (or integration point) I am
> computing with my usermat subroutine. If the volume associated with the
> gauss
> point cannot be obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.
>
> There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> subject,
> they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()". I've tried to
> deal
> with it but I do not obtain any result.
>
> A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain the
> position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to compute
> the
> volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do the calculation
> twice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En nombre
> de
> Keith DiRienz
> Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41
> Para: ANSYS User Discussion List
> Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat
>
> Xavier,
> You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
>
> *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
>
> Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith DiRienz, P.E.
>
> FEA Technologies
> 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> Dana Point, CA 92629
> Ph. 949.481.4946
> Email: --email address suppressed--
> Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
>
> "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
>
> At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to know
>>the
>>element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the gauss point
>>I'm
>>computing with the usermat).
>>
>>Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
>>function, to be included in my usermat code)
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Xavier Martinez
>>WVU, USA
>>^--------------------------------------------------------
>>| XANSYS - www.xansys.org |
>>| The Discussion List for users of ANSYS, Inc. Software |
>>| Hosted by PADT - www.padtinc.com |
>>^--------------------------------------------------------
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:35 am  Reply with quote

Hi,

I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:) is
returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any other option?

Thanks to all,

Xavier



On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> Xavier,
>
> I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> correct):
>
> INTEGER j,ielem
> Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> integer,external::elmgct
>
> j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> volume = value(4)
>
> Carlos
>
> Carlos Shultz
> PADT
> 480-813-4884 (main office)
> 610-695-0361 (direct)
> 602-740-0175 (cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in
> a usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat
> implementation, which provides my with the volume associated to the
> gauss point (or integration point) I am computing with my usermat
> subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss point cannot be
> obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.
>
> There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
>
> A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain
> the position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> the calculation twice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Xavier,
> You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
>
> *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
>
> Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith DiRienz, P.E.
>
> FEA Technologies
> 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> Dana Point, CA 92629
> Ph. 949.481.4946
> Email: --email address suppressed--
> Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
>
> "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
>
> At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the
> >gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> >
> >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
> >function, to be included in my usermat code)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Xavier Martinez
> >WVU, USA
> >^--------------------------------------------------------
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:59 am  Reply with quote

Xavier,
Have you tried engget? It looks like it will return the element volume.

INTEGER j,ielem
Doubleprecision value(6), volume
integer,external::engget

j = engget(ielem,value(1))
volume = value(1)

Carlos



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-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:35 AM
To: ANSYS User Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Hi,

I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:) is returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any other option?

Thanks to all,

Xavier



On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> Xavier,
>
> I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> correct):
>
> INTEGER j,ielem
> Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> integer,external::elmgct
>
> j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> volume = value(4)
>
> Carlos
>
> Carlos Shultz
> PADT
> 480-813-4884 (main office)
> 610-695-0361 (direct)
> 602-740-0175 (cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat implementation,
> which provides my with the volume associated to the gauss point (or
> integration point) I am computing with my usermat subroutine. If the
> volume associated with the gauss point cannot be obtained, the element
> volume will also be helpful.
>
> There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
>
> A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain the
> position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> the calculation twice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Xavier,
> You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
>
> *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
>
> Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith DiRienz, P.E.
>
> FEA Technologies
> 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> Dana Point, CA 92629
> Ph. 949.481.4946
> Email: --email address suppressed--
> Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
>
> "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
>
> At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to
> >the gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> >
> >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or
> >a function, to be included in my usermat code)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Xavier Martinez
> >WVU, USA
> >^--------------------------------------------------------
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:15 am  Reply with quote

Doesn't the normal Ansys supplied common block file have an item in the
element array for the element volume?

Don Shaffer
Rolls Royce Energy Systems Inc
Mount Vernon, Ohio


-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]On
Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:35 AM
To: ANSYS User Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat


Hi,

I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:) is
returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any other
option?

Thanks to all,

Xavier



On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> Xavier,
>
> I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> correct):
>
> INTEGER j,ielem
> Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> integer,external::elmgct
>
> j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> volume = value(4)
>
> Carlos
>
> Carlos Shultz
> PADT
> 480-813-4884 (main office)
> 610-695-0361 (direct)
> 602-740-0175 (cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in
> a usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat
> implementation, which provides my with the volume associated to the
> gauss point (or integration point) I am computing with my usermat
> subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss point cannot be
> obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.
>
> There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
>
> A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain
> the position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> the calculation twice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Xavier,
> You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
>
> *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
>
> Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith DiRienz, P.E.
>
> FEA Technologies
> 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> Dana Point, CA 92629
> Ph. 949.481.4946
> Email: --email address suppressed--
> Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
>
> "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
>
> At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the
> >gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> >
> >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
> >function, to be included in my usermat code)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Xavier Martinez
> >WVU, USA
> >^--------------------------------------------------------
> >| XANSYS - www.xansys.org |
> >| The Discussion List for users of ANSYS, Inc. Software |
> >| Hosted by PADT - www.padtinc.com |
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:19 am  Reply with quote

If this works it would fit the descritption in
"Guide to Interfacing with ANSYS" since
the volume is the first element in the block
labled eng. That would give you a clue
what the name of an undocumented function
would be to access rst items.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Shultz" <--email address suppressed-->
To: "ANSYS User Discussion List" <--email address suppressed-->
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat


Xavier,
Have you tried engget? It looks like it will return the element volume.

INTEGER j,ielem
Doubleprecision value(6), volume
integer,external::engget

j = engget(ielem,value(1))
volume = value(1)

Carlos



Carlos Shultz
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-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] On Behalf
Of Xavier Martínez
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:35 AM
To: ANSYS User Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Hi,

I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:) is
returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any other
option?

Thanks to all,

Xavier



On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> Xavier,
>
> I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> correct):
>
> INTEGER j,ielem
> Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> integer,external::elmgct
>
> j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> volume = value(4)
>
> Carlos
>
> Carlos Shultz
> PADT
> 480-813-4884 (main office)
> 610-695-0361 (direct)
> 602-740-0175 (cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat implementation,
> which provides my with the volume associated to the gauss point (or
> integration point) I am computing with my usermat subroutine. If the
> volume associated with the gauss point cannot be obtained, the element
> volume will also be helpful.
>
> There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
>
> A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain the
> position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> the calculation twice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Xavier,
> You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
>
> *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
>
> Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith DiRienz, P.E.
>
> FEA Technologies
> 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> Dana Point, CA 92629
> Ph. 949.481.4946
> Email: --email address suppressed--
> Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
>
> "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
>
> At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to
> >the gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> >
> >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or
> >a function, to be included in my usermat code)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Xavier Martinez
> >WVU, USA
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:58 am  Reply with quote

Xavier,

If you use ansys 81 or up, you can use following API to get the volume fraction at the integration point of the current element from usermat for element 182, 183, 185, 186, 187.

i = 1
call get_ElmData1(10, elemId, kDomIntPt, i, value)

Guoyu

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Technical Fellow
ANSYS Inc.
275 Technology Dr.
Canonsburg, PA15317
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Fax: 724-514-3118
Email: --email address suppressed--
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-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] On Behalf Of --email address suppressed--
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:19 AM
To: --email address suppressed--
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Doesn't the normal Ansys supplied common block file have an item in the
element array for the element volume?

Don Shaffer
Rolls Royce Energy Systems Inc
Mount Vernon, Ohio


-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]On
Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:35 AM
To: ANSYS User Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat


Hi,

I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:) is
returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any other
option?

Thanks to all,

Xavier



On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> Xavier,
>
> I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> correct):
>
> INTEGER j,ielem
> Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> integer,external::elmgct
>
> j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> volume = value(4)
>
> Carlos
>
> Carlos Shultz
> PADT
> 480-813-4884 (main office)
> 610-695-0361 (direct)
> 602-740-0175 (cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in
> a usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat
> implementation, which provides my with the volume associated to the
> gauss point (or integration point) I am computing with my usermat
> subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss point cannot be
> obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.
>
> There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
>
> A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain
> the position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> the calculation twice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Xavier Martinez
> WVU, USA
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> usermat
>
> Xavier,
> You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
>
> *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
>
> Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith DiRienz, P.E.
>
> FEA Technologies
> 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> Dana Point, CA 92629
> Ph. 949.481.4946
> Email: --email address suppressed--
> Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
>
> "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
>
> At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the
> >gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> >
> >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
> >function, to be included in my usermat code)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Xavier Martinez
> >WVU, USA
> >^--------------------------------------------------------
> >| XANSYS - www.xansys.org |
> >| The Discussion List for users of ANSYS, Inc. Software |
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:19 am  Reply with quote

Thanks Guoyu!

That's exactly what I was looking for. And it works perfect!

Just one more thing... Is there any subroutine similar to obtain the volume
fraction of the integration point for element shell181? The usermat I've
written must work for plane, shell and 3D elements.

Thanks again,

Xavi
WVU, Morgantown, USA




On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:58:10 -0500, Guoyu Lin wrote
> Xavier,
>
> If you use ansys 81 or up, you can use following API to get the
> volume fraction at the integration point of the current element from
> usermat for element 182, 183, 185, 186, 187.
>
> i = 1
> call get_ElmData1(10, elemId, kDomIntPt, i, value)
>
> Guoyu
>
> Guoyu Lin, Ph.D.
> Technical Fellow
> ANSYS Inc.
> 275 Technology Dr.
> Canonsburg, PA15317
> Tel: 724-514-3635
> Fax: 724-514-3118
> Email: --email address suppressed--
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of --email address suppressed-- Sent: Friday, March 09,
> 2007 11:19 AM To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain
> element volume in a usermat
>
> Doesn't the normal Ansys supplied common block file have an item in the
> element array for the element volume?
>
> Don Shaffer
> Rolls Royce Energy Systems Inc
> Mount Vernon, Ohio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]On
> Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:35 AM
> To: ANSYS User Discussion List
> Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:)
> is returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any
> other option?
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Xavier
>
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> > Xavier,
> >
> > I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> > something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> > correct):
> >
> > INTEGER j,ielem
> > Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> > integer,external::elmgct
> >
> > j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> > volume = value(4)
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > Carlos Shultz
> > PADT
> > 480-813-4884 (main office)
> > 610-695-0361 (direct)
> > 602-740-0175 (cell)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> > On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> > To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in
> > a usermat
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> > subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat
> > implementation, which provides my with the volume associated to the
> > gauss point (or integration point) I am computing with my usermat
> > subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss point cannot be
> > obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.
> >
> > There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> > subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> > I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
> >
> > A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain
> > the position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> > compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> > the calculation twice.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Xavier Martinez
> > WVU, USA
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> > nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> > User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> > usermat
> >
> > Xavier,
> > You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
> >
> > *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
> >
> > Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > Keith DiRienz, P.E.
> >
> > FEA Technologies
> > 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> > Dana Point, CA 92629
> > Ph. 949.481.4946
> > Email: --email address suppressed--
> > Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
> >
> > "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
> >
> > At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> > >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the
> > >gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> > >
> > >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
> > >function, to be included in my usermat code)
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > >Xavier Martinez
> > >WVU, USA
> > >^--------------------------------------------------------
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:19 pm  Reply with quote

Unfortunately there is no similar option for 181, I will log this into our development list and we will evaluate it for future release.

Guoyu

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-----Original Message-----
From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:19 PM
To: ANSYS User Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat

Thanks Guoyu!

That's exactly what I was looking for. And it works perfect!

Just one more thing... Is there any subroutine similar to obtain the volume
fraction of the integration point for element shell181? The usermat I've
written must work for plane, shell and 3D elements.

Thanks again,

Xavi
WVU, Morgantown, USA




On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:58:10 -0500, Guoyu Lin wrote
> Xavier,
>
> If you use ansys 81 or up, you can use following API to get the
> volume fraction at the integration point of the current element from
> usermat for element 182, 183, 185, 186, 187.
>
> i = 1
> call get_ElmData1(10, elemId, kDomIntPt, i, value)
>
> Guoyu
>
> Guoyu Lin, Ph.D.
> Technical Fellow
> ANSYS Inc.
> 275 Technology Dr.
> Canonsburg, PA15317
> Tel: 724-514-3635
> Fax: 724-514-3118
> Email: --email address suppressed--
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or
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> is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the
> sender and delete the material from any computer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> On Behalf Of --email address suppressed-- Sent: Friday, March 09,
> 2007 11:19 AM To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain
> element volume in a usermat
>
> Doesn't the normal Ansys supplied common block file have an item in the
> element array for the element volume?
>
> Don Shaffer
> Rolls Royce Energy Systems Inc
> Mount Vernon, Ohio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]On
> Behalf Of Xavier Martínez
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:35 AM
> To: ANSYS User Discussion List
> Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a usermat
>
> Hi,
>
> I already tried this option but it does not work. The array value(:)
> is returned empty from the elmgct function. Does anybody know of any
> other option?
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Xavier
>
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:01 -0700, Carlos Shultz wrote
> > Xavier,
> >
> > I haven't used elmgct to get element volume but the code should look
> > something like this (assuming the referenced xansys message was
> > correct):
> >
> > INTEGER j,ielem
> > Doubleprecision value(4), volume
> > integer,external::elmgct
> >
> > j = elmgct(ielem,value(1))
> > volume = value(4)
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > Carlos Shultz
> > PADT
> > 480-813-4884 (main office)
> > 610-695-0361 (direct)
> > 602-740-0175 (cell)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--]
> > On Behalf Of Xavier Martínez Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:06 AM
> > To: --email address suppressed-- Subject: RE: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in
> > a usermat
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The *get is a GUI command and I do not need this. What I need is a
> > subroutine or a function, to be called from my usermat
> > implementation, which provides my with the volume associated to the
> > gauss point (or integration point) I am computing with my usermat
> > subroutine. If the volume associated with the gauss point cannot be
> > obtained, the element volume will also be helpful.
> >
> > There is another post in the XANSYS forums that talk about the same
> > subject, they say that there is an undocumented function "elmgct()".
> > I've tried to deal with it but I do not obtain any result.
> >
> > A possible option is to compute the volume by myself: I can obtain
> > the position of each node of the element. However, as ANSYS needs to
> > compute the volume to obtain the mass forces, I think is useless do
> > the calculation twice.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Xavier Martinez
> > WVU, USA
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: --email address suppressed-- [mailto:--email address suppressed--] En
> > nombre de Keith DiRienz Enviado el: 08 March 2007 19:41 Para: ANSYS
> > User Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Xansys] Obtain element volume in a
> > usermat
> >
> > Xavier,
> > You can get an element volume using the following *GET command.
> >
> > *get,ELEM_VOLU,elem,ELEM_NUMBER,volu
> >
> > Enter your actual values for ELEM_VOLU and ELEM_NUMBER.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > Keith DiRienz, P.E.
> >
> > FEA Technologies
> > 33822 Bridgehampton Drive
> > Dana Point, CA 92629
> > Ph. 949.481.4946
> > Email: --email address suppressed--
> > Web site: http://members.cox.net/fea-technologies
> >
> > "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
> >
> > At 10:51 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I'm writting a usermat subroutine and I, at certain point, I need to
> > >know the element volume (or, better, the volume that corresponds to the
> > >gauss point I'm computing with the usermat).
> > >
> > >Is there any way to get this information from ansys? (a subroutine or a
> > >function, to be included in my usermat code)
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > >Xavier Martinez
> > >WVU, USA
> > >^--------------------------------------------------------
> > >| XANSYS - www.xansys.org |
> > >| The Discussion List for users of ANSYS, Inc. Software |
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